when you look at the difference of those three dates the debt ceiling involves a great amount of money interested. i don't think that's conspiracy toreconspiracytoreal. would they have a say in those matters? i think so. >> i would agree that they're kicking it over to the senate. as we've seen in the last budget debates that we've had the senate is really the only body that can do anything or get anything done. that's where the compromise will happen. we'll see--the house will come up with their paul ryan budget on steroids that they're planning right now and the senate will have to find compromise or common ground that the white house can agree to as well, and then we'll be back where we were at the end of 2011. i think the republicans definitely do--are taking a moment to regroup so they can fight that battle, and it will be a similar battle to the ones we've seen before. >> cenk: grace wyler, michael shure, we appreciate it. mark my words, they will shut the government down. they will do whatever they need to do. they will be as obstinate as humanly possible. they will sacrifice ev